(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[NZ]SZ[19]KM[8.00]TM[5400]OT[5x60 byo-yomi]
GN[North American Ing Masters Round 2, Table 7  Andy Liu (7d) vs Eric Lui (7d)]PW[Andy Liu]PB[Eric Lui]WR[7d]BR[7d]DT[2009-08-03]EV[North American Ing Masters]RO[2]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]US[Brady Daniels]C[USGO6 [-\]: nigiri
USGO6 [-\]: Eric Lui wins nigiri and selects black
]RE[W+9.00]
;B[dp]
;W[pd]
;B[cd]
;W[pp]
;B[ec]
;W[cn]
;B[ck]C[norg [3k\]: Pianist vs BBW
]
;W[fq]
;B[dn]
;W[cq]
;B[dq]
;W[cp]
;B[co]
;W[bo]
;B[do]
;W[bn]
;B[dr]
;W[cr]
;B[cm]
;W[jp]
;B[bm]
;W[ar]
;B[nc]
;W[qf]
;B[jd]
;W[dj]C[Totti10 [4k\]: this threatens d7 cut?
fairgo1 [1k\]: O_O
norg [3k\]: d7 doesn't look too severe for now...
USGO6 [-\]: both players stand up and leave the board
USGO6 [-\]: and they're back
denizen [2k\]: is there an online broadcast?
USGO6 [-\]: no video
veteran [1d\]: what happened yesterday with Andy and Thomas Hsiang?
norg [3k\]: Maybe they were making a secret agreement to have an epic fight for KGS :)
denizen [2k\]: ok
norg [3k\]: Andy won by resignation
veteran [1d\]: thx
veteran [1d\]: is there sgf somewhere
veteran [1d\]: was that round 3?
USGO6 [-\]: http://usgo.org/tournaments/crosstab/band-matrix/62
USGO6 [-\]: i think
Borders [2d\]: what an interesting move
veteran [1d\]: thx
USGO6 [-\]: Eric is up again, getting a drink... very thoughtful
]
;B[dk]
;W[ej]
;B[bi]C[Borders [2d\]: e15?
Chachi [2k\]: go eric!
]
;W[gj]
;B[qn]
;W[nq]C[Oloril [1k\]: I thought that these players were both 9d? or are they not using aga ranks?
Borders [2d\]: aga changed
Borders [2d\]: only goes to 7d now
Oloril [1k\]: ah I see
Borders [2d\]: r9
Oloril [1k\]: I wonder how long it will take for KGS to change to reflect that
USGO6 [-\]: Jenny Shen 2p looking at the board
Borders [2d\]: ask her to whisper in your ear usgo6
Borders [2d\]: or text you :)
]
;B[pj]
;W[lc]
;B[ld]
;W[kc]C[Borders [2d\]: usgo, any pro commentary tonight do you know?
]
;B[kd]C[locomotive [?\]: @Otoril--the aga has no ranks officially, only ratings and does not officially translate from ratings to ranks
USGO6 [-\]: there is, but i am not sure which board
Borders [2d\]: thx
xedover [5k?\]: it will be usgo10, but it hasn't started yet
]
;W[ib]C[Chachi [2k\]: h16?
norg [3k\]: Looks like w is going to have to battle to win this one
fairgo1 [1k\]: xedover are you at congress currently?
]
;B[pc]
;W[qc]C[USGO6 [-\]: Andy Liu plays very quickly
]
;B[gb]C[fairgo1 [1k\]: like how quick?
]
;W[hc]C[norg [3k\]: Looks like b wins...
]
;B[he]C[USGO6 [-\]: often around one second
GoIsBoring [1d\]: b lost fuseki
USGO6 [-\]: he thinks too, don't get me wrong
fairgo1 [1k\]: wow one second :O
xedover [5k?\]: fairgo, no I am not
USGO6 [-\]: both players have stepped up from the board
USGO6 [-\]: and out of the room
]
;W[gc]C[USGO6 [-\]: and they are back
]
;B[fc]
;W[hb]
;B[od]
;W[qd]C[dreizehn [4k?\]: is there a live stream?
]
;B[fb]C[Oloril [1k\]: just remember not to cross the streams
dreizehn [4k?\]: ?!?
]
;W[mc]
;B[md]
;W[nb]
;B[ob]
;W[ma]
;B[ij]
;W[gm]C[globax [4d\]: yes, it's live
]
;B[og]
;W[em]C[dreizehn [4k?\]: how about not peeping at cutting points?
Chachi [2k\]: the idea is now black can't jump all the way to G5 safely
]
;B[dm]
;W[qh]C[globax [4d\]: p15?
globax [4d\]: w p15 makes q18 big
dreizehn [4k?\]: isn't a ko there a little risky for o18 ?
globax [4d\]: that's the question of threats
globax [4d\]: r3 would be natural now
globax [4d\]: d12 slower than r3
Borders [2d\]: what about j7 or something
globax [4d\]: but quite big
globax [4d\]: j7, w g4 happy
globax [4d\]: j4 contact korean style..
]
;B[ph]
;W[qi]
;B[pi]
;W[jl]C[globax [4d\]: b too slow, w ahea now
globax [4d\]: ahead*
Borders [2d\]: p5ish
]
;B[kk]
;W[kl]
;B[lk]C[dreizehn [4k?\]: pushing on the eight(!!) line
]
;W[pn]
;B[qq]
;W[qp]C[weirdchess [5k\]: is there a video feed of any of this (like Eurogotv), or is someone just transcribing the game onto KGS?
USGO6 [-\]: no vid
]
;B[rp]C[xedover [5k?\]: video for board 1 only
]
;W[ro]C[Oloril [1k\]: there is a vid of first board but it's terrible quality
weirdchess [5k\]: ok thanks
dreizehn [4k?\]: how's the tournament structured?
Oloril [1k\]: 32 players it seems, last one standing wins probably
]
;B[rr]
;W[sp]
;B[sq]
;W[rq]C[weirdchess [5k\]: single elimination?  that seems a bit too random
]
;B[an]C[Oloril [1k\]: oh, I suppose there are 6 rounds, so it's not quite single elimination
]
;W[ap]
;B[rp]
;W[oe]C[weirdchess [5k\]: maybe the last round is best of three
]
;B[pf]
;W[pe]C[ericthblue [6k\]: it's a 5-round swiss system
Oloril [1k\]: http://usgo.org/tournaments/crosstab/band-matrix/62 there are tabs for 6 rounds
]
;B[mf]
;W[rq]C[ericthblue [6k\]: ah. i was looking at this page http://www.usgo.org/tournaments/ING/
]
;B[bq]
;W[sr]
;B[bp]
;W[of]C[dreizehn [4k?\]: big exchange
]
;B[pg]
;W[qg]
;B[hq]
;W[gq]C[xedover [5k?\]: they've only scheduled 5 rounds though, I think that's just a template page copy/paste error to show 6
USGO6 [-\]: both players leave the table
USGO6 [-\]: time remaining: w 1:04, b 0:19
Q161 [13k?\]: GO BBW
Q161 [13k?\]: !!
Chachi [2k\]: the tesuji is coming
Oloril [1k\]: bbw hasn't heven used a third of his time...
Q161 [13k?\]: rematch of the century
]
;B[jq]
;W[hp]
;B[ip]
;W[io]
;B[iq]
;W[ho]C[jk8: who is BBW?
Oloril [1k\]: white
iPwnNoobs [1k\]: andy liu's KGS name is bigbadwolf
jk8: oh i was wondering thought it Big Beautiful Woman
dreizehn [4k?\]: can b live there?
dreizehn [4k?\]: he should, actually
Chachi [2k\]: well H2 and N2 are good forcing moves, no?
USGO6 [-\]: b 3 mins left
USGO6 [-\]: w 1:04
USGO6 [-\]: b now in byo, 5 periods of one minute
]
;B[kp]
;W[lq]
;B[jo]
;W[kn]
;B[jn]
;W[jm]
;B[in]
;W[hm]
;B[ln]
;W[lm]C[dreizehn [4k?\]: w playing quite fast
]
;B[lo]
;W[kr]C[rikiyu [2k\]: b looks dead
Chachi [2k\]: h6 cut
]
;B[hn]C[thelo: w probably plays fast because he's used to having little time on KGS
]
;W[fo]C[holycarp [-\]: when you are close fighting there are not lots of options
dreizehn [4k?\]: actually there are a lot of options
USGO6 [-\]: b uses first byo period
USGO6 [-\]: into second
USGO6 [-\]: w has 1:03 remaining
holycarp [-\]: i mean ..sente...
]
;B[nn]
;W[mm]C[globax [4d\]: o4
]
;B[np]
;W[ol]C[play234 [-\]: i'm amazed that w uses so little time
]
;B[oq]C[USGO6 [-\]: w thinking now
]
;W[op]C[Oloril [1k\]: w plan, take an hour nap and wait for b to get really bored
dreizehn [4k?\]: and then lose on time
]
;B[mq]
;W[nr]C[Chachi [2k\]: connect
globax [4d\]: no
fairgo1 [1k\]: n2
globax [4d\]: n2
Chachi [2k\]: connect then P5
]
;B[mr]
;W[mp]C[globax [4d\]: m4
globax [4d\]: w n1 then
Omniscient [1k\]: W connects under at M1-n1
Omniscient [1k\]: then M3 becomes a false eye
Omniscient [1k\]: b looks pretty dead?
globax [4d\]: yes, dead an res
globax [4d\]: but p3 aji
Chachi [2k\]: why not connect then p5
]
;B[lp]C[globax [4d\]: yes, n1
Chachi [2k\]: o nvm.. p6
globax [4d\]: g2h1 to connect by ko or get 2nd eye ?
tianyake [4d\]: seems ko live
USGO6 [-\]: w down to 59 minutes
]
;W[no]C[dreizehn [4k?\]: ??
dreizehn [4k?\]: I didnt understand this move
norg [3k\]: That's still more time than I give myself for a whole game
dreizehn [4k?\]: why not n1?
globax [4d\]: w saw the ko, and threats should be too costly
fairgo1 [1k\]: nice
Chachi [2k\]: M2 = life then?
USGO6 [-\]: b uses second byo period
USGO6 [-\]: 3 remaining
bighead [1d\]: still dead
norg [3k\]: How long are the periods?
globax [4d\]: and surely counted to win after with sente
fairgo1 [1k\]: it's dead
Chachi [2k\]: h2 is sente
USGO6 [-\]: one minute
dreizehn [4k?\]: globax, could you explain how ko?
weirdchess [5k\]: m2 m1 l3 n1?
globax [4d\]: d13 and h11may be enough
]
;B[lr]
;W[ls]
;B[kq]
;W[ms]C[Chachi [2k\]: h2 k2
Chachi [2k\]: eye
bighead [1d\]: it is ko
norg [3k\]: k2?
bighead [1d\]: K2 now
bighead [1d\]: K2 and then G2
bighead [1d\]: KO
Chachi [2k\]: h2-e2 combo?
]
;B[jr]
;W[lq]C[tianyake [4d\]: live
Chachi [2k\]: e1 
]
;B[gr]
;W[fr]C[globax [4d\]: j1, no ko
norg [3k\]: h2 lives, doesn't it?
Chachi [2k\]: yes
weirdchess [5k\]: yes
Chachi [2k\]: so does this though
]
;B[hr]C[Chachi [2k\]: but h1 would have kept sente
Chachi [2k\]: :(
Chachi [2k\]: H2
norg [3k\]: Now b wins?
weirdchess [5k\]: white needs to invade upper left somehow
]
;W[ii]C[Chachi [2k\]: well not really
]
;B[ji]
;W[hi]C[dreizehn [4k?\]: r9 big?
]
;B[qj]
;W[jh]C[dreizehn [4k?\]: hehe
Chachi [2k\]: D12?
]
;B[kh]C[sjdv1982 [11k\]: what about a throw-in at l11?
dreizehn [4k?\]: looks like aji keshi
Q161 [13k?\]: is w in trouble?
fairgo1 [1k\]: wait why not j1?
dreizehn [4k?\]: j1 k1 
fairgo1 [1k\]: oh
Omniscient [1k\]: are you 1k? =.=
fairgo1 [1k\]: lol
fairgo1 [1k\]: maybe
ImagineIt [5k\]: lol
]
;W[jj]
;B[ki]
;W[jk]
;B[dh]
;W[ef]
;B[cf]
;W[qb]
;B[jc]
;W[jb]C[USGO6 [-\]: b uses third byo period
USGO6 [-\]: has two remaining
]
;B[oa]
;W[ge]
;B[gd]
;W[hd]
;B[fd]
;W[ie]
;B[hf]
;W[if]
;B[gf]
;W[ng]C[USGO6 [-\]: b in final byo period
odnihs [2d\]: how much tiem does white have?
odnihs [2d\]: time*
USGO6 [-\]: 50 mins
odnihs [2d\]: wow lol
fairgo1 [1k\]: xD
]
;B[mg]C[norg [3k\]: I bet b regrets that ;)
]
;W[ne]
;B[nd]C[fairgo1 [1k\]: o12
MChow [6k\]: l19 ?
norg [3k\]: Having said that, I suspect b is a tad ahead, so maybe not...
globax [4d\]: e12
]
;W[nj]C[Q161 [13k?\]: what did b spend all his time on?
]
;B[nk]C[odnihs [2d\]: probably the fight at the bottom
]
;W[ok]
;B[oj]
;W[mk]
;B[ni]C[MChow [6k\]: w m17 alive? 
]
;W[kf]
;B[lf]
;W[me]
;B[le]
;W[nl]
;B[mi]
;W[eh]C[Chachi [2k\]: what is the answer to o19?
]
;B[dg]C[MChow [6k\]: ...n18 
]
;W[fe]C[fairgo1 [1k\]: over :O
norg [3k\]: SE is confident of a white victory
dreizehn [4k?\]: omg
gtgrouch [7k\]: SE is not the last word
Q161 [13k?\]: w doing good with sente
]
;B[gn]
;W[fn]C[laia [16k\]: e113?
laia [16k\]: 13*
]
;B[eg]
;W[fg]C[laia [16k\]: :)
laia [16k\]: f14
Q161 [13k?\]: f15 e15
Q161 [13k?\]: f14*
]
;B[fh]
;W[hg]C[laia [16k\]: ah yes
]
;B[ee]
;W[ff]
;B[df]
;W[gg]C[Chachi [2k\]: F15 turned the tide of the whole game
]
;B[ei]C[laia [16k\]: poor eric
dreizehn [4k?\]: r8 ?
]
;W[ql]C[dreizehn [4k?\]: hehe
]
;B[fl]
;W[fm]C[dreizehn [4k?\]: n6 ?
]
;B[ri]
;W[rk]
;B[rj]
;W[rh]
;B[mn]
;W[nf]
;B[nh]
;W[on]
;B[jg]
;W[pb]
;B[oc]
;W[fk]
;B[el]
;W[gl]C[negimagi: how does b think he has a chance
]
;B[jf]
;W[je]
;B[ke]C[CrazyGeek [4d\]: by not counting ?
USGO6 [-\]: ok scribe behind will fill board in wrong orer
Varadero [5k\]: what?
norg [3k\]: SE loves w more and more every time I look!
USGO6 [-\]: okay game is nearly done
TooFast [1k\]: c10
USGO6 [-\]: we will recreate the final moves wiht the palyers
USGO6 [-\]: after
norg [3k\]: Can you tell because Eric is crying?
godfather1 [1k\]: why komi is 8 ???!!
USGO6 [-\]: thank you for your patience
USGO10 [-\]: Komi is 8 because they use ing rules
norg [3k\]: This game is misleading! At first glance, it looks like b is ahead...
Narayana [5k\]: Could someone explain NZ rules to me?
fairgo1 [1k\]: who won? O.o
norg [3k\]: Players take it in turn to place stones on the board
norg [3k\]: The one with the greatest area under their stones at the end wins
norg [3k\]: Surrounded groups of stones are taken off the board
norg [3k\]: NZ rules are simple, really :)
MChow [6k\]: waiting for andy's move
Remember [2k\]: clever norg...
Remember [2k\]: andy liu vs eric lui.... lol
jinkidie [16k\]: And after the games every eats vegemite sandwiches!
Remember [2k\]: more like VOMITITE *high five*
soreal: sounds bout right
TooFast [1k\]: andy is taking a number 2 right now
godfather1 [1k\]: who is number 1?
norg [3k\]: I always think in Harry Potter, being wizards, they're seriously missing out on KGS!
Remember [2k\]: white is solidly ahead
jinkidie [16k\]: Is the black row of 6 stones on the d lines the resilt of a standard joseki? I saw a very similar position just a couple of days ago.
norg [3k\]: It looks more like a continuation of a joseki to me
Greenbudda [6d\]: w ahead?
norg [3k\]: But I'm only 3k, I can't tell
Remember [2k\]: yes it is
norg [3k\]: Also, w is dead. That's probably not joseki :P
Remember [2k\]: if you clone the game in another room you can go back to the start
Oloril [1k\]: w dead by ignoring a ko threat
dreizehn [4k?\]: w died later by ko
norg [3k\]: Ah, ok. Where was the ko?
rjm [5k\]: lower right
dreizehn [4k?\]: s4 
Remember [2k\]: yes. you should have been able to see that for yourself actually. how could black get 2 stones there?
jinkidie [16k\]: agreed w loks a bit short on vitality there...
TooFast [1k\]: in NZ rules, do the stomes count as points?
TooFast [1k\]: stones*
Oloril [1k\]: but white has more than enough points around the board
norg [3k\]: b is 7d. He can do anything except beat Jie Li :P
Greenbudda [6d\]: looks close to me
Varadero [5k\]: actualy he did before
albundy [2k\]: are they taking a break?
dreizehn [4k?\]: they should be playing
USGO6 [-\]: w  wins by 9
TooFast [1k\]: ???
Oloril [1k\]: thank you USGO
norg [3k\]: How can they have counted when the game isn't finished?
TooFast [1k\]: it is
norg [3k\]: But also, thank you USGo6 :)
TooFast [1k\]: is the game over?
USGO6 [-\]: yes 
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